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CHAPTER V “I do not know what your opinion may be, Mrs. Weston,” said Mr. Knightley, “of this great intimacy between Emma and Harriet Smith, but I think it a bad thing.” “A bad thing! Do you really think it a bad thing?—why so?” “I think they will neither of them do the other any good.” “You surprize me! Emma must do Harriet good: and by supplying her with a new object of interest, Harriet may be said to do Emma good. I have been seeing their intimacy with the greatest pleasure. How very differently we feel!—Not think they will do each other any good! This will certainly be the beginning of one of our quarrels about Emma, Mr. Knightley.” “Perhaps you think I am come on purpose to quarrel with you, knowing Weston to be out, and that you must still fight your own battle.” “Mr. Weston would undoubtedly support me, if he were here, for he thinks exactly as I do on the subject. We were speaking of it only yesterday, and agreeing how fortunate it was for Emma, that there should be such a girl in Highbury for her to associate with. Mr. Knightley, I shall not allow you to be a fair judge in this case. You are so much used to live alone, that you do not know the value of a companion; and, perhaps no man can be a good judge of the comfort a woman feels in the society of one of her...
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Summary
Mr. Knightley and Mrs. Weston have their first real disagreement about Emma's new friendship with Harriet Smith. Knightley thinks it's terrible for both women—Emma will get an inflated ego from Harriet's constant admiration, while Harriet will become dissatisfied with her actual social position. Mrs. Weston defends the friendship, believing Emma will help educate Harriet. Their debate reveals deeper concerns about Emma's character. Knightley points out that Emma has been making reading lists since she was twelve but never follows through, and that losing her mother young left her without anyone who could really challenge her. He worries that Emma's intelligence and beauty, combined with everyone's admiration, have left her unprepared for real difficulty. The conversation shifts to Emma's romantic future—both agree she needs to fall in love with someone worthy, though Mrs. Weston secretly hopes it might be her stepson Frank Churchill. This chapter shows us the delicate balance of caring about someone: when do you speak up about their choices, and when do you step back? Knightley represents the friend who loves you enough to tell you uncomfortable truths, while Mrs. Weston shows the friend who supports your happiness even when she has doubts.
That's what happens. To understand what the author is really doing—and to discuss this chapter with confidence—keep reading.
Terms to Know
Social station
Your fixed position in society based on birth, family, and wealth - not something you could easily change in Austen's time. People were expected to marry and socialize within their class level.
Modern Usage:
Today we see this in debates about 'marrying up' or concerns about dating someone from a very different economic background.
Accomplishments
Skills wealthy young women were expected to have - speaking French, playing piano, painting, reading literature. These showed you were educated and refined enough for high society.
Modern Usage:
Like today's pressure to have the 'right' college degree, hobbies, or cultural knowledge to fit in with certain social circles.
Intimacy
In Austen's time, this meant close friendship, not romantic or sexual connection. Women's friendships were taken very seriously and could affect their reputations.
Modern Usage:
We still use 'intimate friendship' to mean someone you share everything with, your closest confidant.
Companion
Someone who provides company and conversation, especially important for women who weren't supposed to be alone much. Could be a friend, relative, or paid position.
Modern Usage:
Today's equivalent might be your work bestie, roommate, or the friend you text constantly throughout the day.
Fair judge
Being objective or impartial about a situation. Mrs. Weston suggests Mr. Knightley can't judge fairly because he's used to living alone.
Modern Usage:
When we say someone is 'too close to the situation' to give good advice, or 'you can't see it clearly because you're biased.'
Object of interest
Something or someone that captures your attention and gives you purpose or entertainment. Emma needs new people to focus on and 'improve.'
Modern Usage:
Like finding a new hobby, cause, or even a new person to mentor or 'fix' - sometimes healthy, sometimes not.
Characters in This Chapter
Mr. Knightley
Truth-telling friend
He's the only person brave enough to criticize Emma directly. He sees that her friendship with Harriet will make both women worse - Emma more conceited, Harriet more dissatisfied with her real life.
Modern Equivalent:
The friend who tells you your boyfriend is bad for you even when you don't want to hear it
Mrs. Weston
Supportive maternal figure
Emma's former governess who wants to see the best in everything Emma does. She defends the friendship and believes Emma will help Harriet, showing her protective instincts toward Emma.
Modern Equivalent:
The mom friend who always takes your side and believes you can do no wrong
Emma
Protagonist (discussed but not present)
Though not in this scene, she's the center of the debate. Both adults worry about different aspects of her character - her need for admiration and her lack of real challenges in life.
Modern Equivalent:
The smart, popular person everyone worries is getting too big for their britches
Harriet Smith
Object of concern
The young woman whose friendship with Emma worries Knightley. He fears Emma will fill her head with unrealistic expectations about her social position and marriage prospects.
Modern Equivalent:
The younger coworker who starts acting different after hanging out with the popular crowd
Why This Matters
Connect literature to life
This chapter teaches how to distinguish between friends who support you and friends who challenge you—and why you need both.
Practice This Today
This week, notice when friends agree with everything you say versus when they push back—both responses reveal something important about the relationship and your choices.
You have the foundation. Now let's look closer.
Key Quotes & Analysis
"I think they will neither of them do the other any good."
Context: His opening argument against Emma and Harriet's friendship
This sets up the central conflict - Knightley sees potential harm where Mrs. Weston sees potential good. It shows his willingness to voice unpopular opinions when he thinks someone he cares about is making a mistake.
In Today's Words:
This friendship is going to be bad for both of them.
"You are so much used to live alone, that you do not know the value of a companion."
Context: Her defense when Knightley criticizes the friendship
She's suggesting his perspective is limited by his experience as a single man. This reveals how much women's social needs were understood differently, and how friendship was seen as essential for women's wellbeing.
In Today's Words:
You're such a loner that you don't get how much women need their girlfriends.
"Perhaps no man can be a good judge of the comfort a woman feels in the society of one of her own sex."
Context: Continuing her argument that Knightley can't understand women's friendships
This highlights the gender divide in understanding relationships and emotional needs. Mrs. Weston is claiming that female friendship has benefits that men simply cannot comprehend.
In Today's Words:
Maybe guys just don't understand what women get out of having close female friends.
Intelligence Amplifier™ Analysis
The Road of Protective Love - When Caring Means Confronting
The tension between confronting someone you care about with hard truths versus supporting them unconditionally through their mistakes.
Thematic Threads
Class
In This Chapter
Knightley worries that Emma's friendship with Harriet will give both women false ideas about their social positions—Emma feeling superior, Harriet feeling entitled to more than her birth allows
Development
Deepening from earlier hints about social boundaries to explicit concern about cross-class friendships disrupting natural order
In Your Life:
You might see this when workplace friendships cross hierarchical lines and create tension about boundaries and expectations
Personal Growth
In This Chapter
Knightley identifies Emma's core problem: she's never faced real difficulty or had anyone challenge her, leaving her unprepared for life's realities
Development
Building on previous chapters' hints about Emma's sheltered existence to reveal the deeper consequences of unchallenged privilege
In Your Life:
You recognize this in yourself or others who've been protected from consequences and struggle when reality finally hits
Human Relationships
In This Chapter
The disagreement between Knightley and Mrs. Weston shows two different ways of loving someone—through confrontation versus through support
Development
Introduced here as a new dimension of how people who care about the same person can have completely different approaches
In Your Life:
You see this in how different family members or friends handle your problems—some challenge you, others enable you
Identity
In This Chapter
Emma's sense of self is built on constant admiration and lack of challenge, making her identity fragile and untested
Development
Evolving from earlier suggestions that Emma might be overconfident to revealing the psychological foundation of her self-image
In Your Life:
You might recognize this in yourself or others whose confidence crumbles when faced with real criticism or failure
Modern Adaptation
When Friends Take Sides
Following Emma's story...
Emma's been mentoring Destiny, a new girl at the community center where Emma volunteers. Emma convinced Destiny to break up with her boyfriend Marcus, saying he wasn't good enough for her. Now Emma's two closest friends are arguing about it. Sarah thinks Emma's being a good influence, helping Destiny see she deserves better. But Mike pulls Emma aside and says she's playing with people's lives. 'You don't know Marcus,' he tells her. 'And Destiny was happy before you got involved. You're treating her like your personal project.' Emma gets defensive—she's just trying to help. But Mike won't back down: 'You do this with everyone. Remember when you tried to set up your cousin with that guy from your gym? Remember the drama with the PTA election? You think you know what's best for everybody, but you don't live their lives.' Sarah jumps to Emma's defense, but Mike shakes his head. 'Someone needs to tell you the truth before you really hurt someone.'
The Road
The road Mr. Knightley and Mrs. Weston walked in 1815, Emma's friends walk today. The pattern is identical: when someone you care about has blind spots that could hurt others, do you speak up and risk the friendship, or stay quiet to keep the peace?
The Map
This chapter provides the Friend Truth-Teller Navigation System. Emma can learn to recognize the difference between friends who enable her choices and friends who challenge them—and understand she needs both types.
Amplification
Before reading this, Emma might have dismissed Mike as jealous or negative and only listened to Sarah's support. Now she can NAME the pattern (protective vs. enabling love), PREDICT where it leads (continued interference without growth), and NAVIGATE it (value the friends brave enough to challenge her).
You now have the context. Time to form your own thoughts.
Discussion Questions
- 1
What specific concerns does Mr. Knightley raise about Emma's friendship with Harriet Smith?
analysis • surface - 2
Why do you think Mrs. Weston defends Emma's choices even though she might have private doubts?
analysis • medium - 3
Think about your own relationships - do you have friends who challenge you like Knightley, or friends who support you like Mrs. Weston? Which type do you find yourself being more often?
application • medium - 4
When someone you care about is making choices you think are harmful, how do you decide whether to speak up or stay quiet?
application • deep - 5
What does this chapter suggest about the difference between loving someone and enabling them?
reflection • deep
Critical Thinking Exercise
Map Your Support Network
Draw or list the people in your life who fill different roles: who tells you hard truths (your Knightleys), who offers unconditional support (your Mrs. Westons), and who just agrees with everything you say. Then think about which type of friend you are to others. Are there gaps in your network or patterns in how you show up for people?
Consider:
- •Notice if you're missing either truth-tellers or supporters - both are necessary
- •Consider whether you avoid people who challenge you or only seek out those who agree
- •Think about whether you default to being supportive or challenging - and when each is most helpful
Journaling Prompt
Write about a time when someone loved you enough to tell you something you didn't want to hear. How did you react in the moment, and how do you feel about it now? What did you learn about yourself from that experience?
Coming Up Next...
Chapter 6: The Portrait Project Begins
As the story unfolds, you'll explore flattery can mask true intentions and cloud judgment, while uncovering unfinished projects reveal more about us than completed ones. These lessons connect the classic to contemporary challenges we all face.